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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2017
     
    Posted By: duncan torusAre they forced to wear blindfolds up to a certain point?
    Uh... at minimum visibility, all you see is grey fog and clouds until you get very close to the runway (depending on which minimums are used). And nowadays, many airliners can be landed in zero/zero conditions by the automation (zero ceiling, zero visibility all the way to touchdown). I have not kept up with the field enough to know if this capability has any practical use but I bet Al knows.
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    It's called "autoland" and it is used more and more. Category III C has no decision height or runway visual range limitations, in other words, the aircraft can land itself in zero visibility-zero ceiling conditions. The airport (ILS landing aids), aircraft (on board automation) and pilots (skill level, training and experience) must all be rated for this category. But wasn't the SFO incident in good weather?
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    Posted By: maryyugoUh... at minimum visibility, all you see is grey fog and clouds until you get very close to the runway (depending on which minimums are used). And nowadays, many airliners can be landed in zero/zero conditions by the automation (zero ceiling, zero visibility all the way to touchdown).
    I didn't realize you meant minimum visibility, I thought you meant something else (the last chance to abort). Also I was thinking more about the pilots looking out the window prior to the point where they could not see out the window anymore.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2017
     
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      CommentAuthorGrowler
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2017
     
    Posted By: alsetalokinIt's called "autoland" and it is used more and more. Category III C has no decision height or runway visual range limitations, in other words, the aircraft can land itself in zero visibility-zero ceiling conditions. The airport (ILS landing aids), aircraft (on board automation) and pilots (skill level, training and experience) must all be rated for this category. But wasn't the SFO incident in good weather?


    An old school friend (sadly not a girl I used to know in high school) flew 777's for a national airline and stated that not only could the 777 autoland, it could do so in 40kt crosswinds. He had first hand experience of same, apparently...
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      CommentAuthorgoatcheez
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2017
     
    Here's a burial at sea you may not have read about: Loyce Edward Deen, an Aviation Machinist Mate 2nd Class, USNR, was a gunner on a TBM Avenger. On November 5, 1944, Deen's squadron participated in a raid on Manila where his plane was hit multiple times by anti-aircraft fire while attacking a Japanese cruiser. Deen was killed.

    The Avenger's pilot, Lt. Robert Cosgrove, managed to return to his carrier, the USS Essex. Both Deen and the plane had been shot up so badly that it was decided to leave him in the plane.

    Is anyone aware of another time in U.S. Navy history (and probably U.S. military history) that an aviator was buried in his aircraft after being killed in action?

    http://loyceedeen.webstarts.com/uploads/GoingHome.mp4
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2017 edited
     
    I would think that would apply to most kamikaze pilots (for appropriate values of "in".).
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2017
     
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    National Transportation Safety Board Aviation Incident Preliminary Report
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    Date & Time:
    Aircraft:
    Flight Conducted Under:
    San Francisco, CA 07/07/2017, 2356 PDT AIRBUS 320
    Part 129: Foreign
    Incident Number: Registration: Injuries:
    DCA17IA148 C-FKUK N/A
    On July 7, 2017, about 2356 Pacific daylight time, Air Canada flight 759, an Airbus A-320, C- FKCK, was cleared to land on runway 28R at San Francisco International Airport (SFO), San Francisco, California, but instead lined up on parallel taxiway C, which had four air carrier airplanes on it awaiting takeoff clearance (a Boeing 787 that was first in line followed by an Airbus A340, another Boeing 787, and a Boeing 737). The flight descended below 100 feet above the ground and initiated a go-around after overflying the first airplane on the taxiway. The flight was operating under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 129 as an international scheduled passenger flight from Toronto/Lester B. Pearson International Airport, (YYZ), Toronto, Canada. Night visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the incident.


    And the tail of the 787 on the ground sticks up about 56 feet....
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2017
     
    Double Yikes! Some people's guardian angels were extra busy that night. Or some pilot's spidey sense that gave warning. Scariest part: "initiated go-around AFTER overflying the first airplane [my emphasis]" WOW!
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTime6 days ago
     
    A B-25 in D-day stripes just flew over my backyard. Original engines too, from the sound. Must be airshow season again.

    Or else the Allies are landing down at Qualicum Beach.