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    One no CEMF by biasing the coil with magnets is not proof of no CEMF. Again BS Fist part of vidido. It is just biasing the coils with can be counteracted by BIASING.
    So is still claiming 8 percent is free from the flyback. Energy from no were. got to love these folks..

    The next part gets even more fun..
    Since this is free energy: So the next thing is to REMOVE the joule heating put into the system.. wich is basicly the intrigal of VI:
    Ignore that battery it does not do anything ... ROTFLMAO.

    Next talks about core test. No degradation ( other than battery which is left out) of the magnets ect.. So the free energy is not coming from that.

    More on soak test and the supposed excess energy related to the magnet energy including the bearings..

    Lat part is measuring voltage with the Differential probe: and the current with current probe. Generator coil wich captures Ke from rotor is a shorted coil for output. pre measured R.

    Out put of generator coil is basically I squared R. Correct for the scope trace.

    Bottom trace is net electrical energy put into the system: "Net of Joule heating." it is about three to 1 ratio according to Steorn.. He does not say exactly what input energy. I wounder WHY???

    fun stuff ehh.
    I think I will go ask, if I am not banned from posting to the vids.. I suspect I will not get an answer. Some one should go over there ( that other board) and ask what input energy is integrated in the scope trace... Bet one does not get an answer, other than all input energy, and no statement of just battery energy...

    He was very careful not to say what the input energy was...
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    Any one going to ask over there what the total input is????
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    From the other board;
    http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=62643&page=6#Item_37
    Tinker
    Hi.

    In the Orbos demonstrated the (8%) induction gain is not recycled. It is a 'free bonus' that is a direct reult of the rotor moving the magnets into and out of the proximity of the coil cores. And like many bonuses in this case it is not put to good use.

    And, incidentally, bacuse of the 'decoupling' effect the rotor movemnt is a free bonus too. Precisely 0% of the rotor torque comes from direct 'active' electromagnetic attraction/repulsion as in a normal motor.

    If you are interested enough to make the journey, some of you guys should book yourself a test session at Waterways. Otherwise wait to see the data from the tests and also the Calorimetry. Tinker

    ps. Give my regards to joshs. I'm saving up for a book on electricity for his 12th birthday.

    Tinker
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    Yep it is all a religion it seems.

    No proof of "No CEMF
    No proof of energy gain through inductance at "NO COST"
    (Don't exist with out battery),
    Hell battery still runs down just as fast also. If that joule heating of the flyback is integrated with battery input.

    Its a nice game Steorn plays. 419 advanced fee to learn to build a free energy device with no warranty implied or given..
    Oh well folks will entertain them selves for some time. And Steorn get his investors and folks paying to learn.
    Keep em confused and never promise anything..
    I believe it is going to be very interesting to watch.
    How long can it be kept up???
    So far a long time.
    A history of BS and no show, lies, misleading statements; and they still will go.
    • CommentAuthorMileHigh
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2010
     
    I wish that I was there to ask questions.

    MileHigh
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    And still no one to ask over there and ask.

    come on folks an easy question to post over there. I doubt it will get you banned.

    What exactly is the net electrical energy put into the system.
    Why has no one asked this over there??
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    Posted By: lostcauses10xAnd still no one to ask over there and ask.

    come on folks an easy question to post over there. I doubt it will get you banned.

    What exactly is the net electrical energy put into the system.
    Why has no one asked this over there??

    Whats the point? :/

    If people are willing to look past a 10 AHr battery, no amount of reasoned logic is going to penetrate their skulls.
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    Net electrical input: Unknown in what hey said: apparently battery, and gain of flyback..
    Net of joule heating: Wich would be input plus flyback,
    except fly back is supposedly free so subtracted from input :
    Or input subtracted from flyback:
    What the hell did they do??

    So if I say I have a free inductance gain for what ever crap they are saying the core and magnets do to get this free energy: I am supposedly to subtract this free gain from the coil heating, or is it to subtract the battery input and keep the free gain...
    Hell add em both together for the net joule heating I should get the net heat produced short of core loss etc..

    WTF are these pranksters doing???
    Yet again it don't happen if that battery is not there.
    So probability of any free energy is about zero, no mater how they try and add it all up.

    Trying to understand these folks is harder than you all: trying to understand me... LOL
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    Posted By: underunity
    Posted By: lostcauses10xAnd still no one to ask over there and ask.

    come on folks an easy question to post over there. I doubt it will get you banned.

    What exactly is the net electrical energy put into the system.
    Why has no one asked this over there??

    Whats the point? :/

    If people are willing to look past a 10 AHr battery, no amount of reasoned logic is going to penetrate their skulls.

    True.
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    So the bottom trace is supposedly the net joule heating.
    since joule heating of coil is
    A: battery input
    B: flyback including so called free energy. It is subtracted as it is supposedly separate from input cost.
    Not correct. Easy to show OU, and of course is fake. Hey just for them believers maybe a mistake..
    They are going with the battery input heat only to out put, yet there subtraction of the flyback is causing the heating rate of climb to be at a different rate than the output. Great show and is plain WRONG.

    It would be correct to show the battery side of the switch, Not the complete flyback loop. Of course this would show it is not OU.

    All of this crap is so blaring in it openness. The battery, The how of showing no CEMF: and increasing induction; the biasing of the coils and balancing that, This demo subtracting from the input, etc..

    Insanity comes to mind. The next is fraud: the next is stranger. a open game of I say it is do you believe me?? (kind of a joke for geeks)

    The open game: can I bull shit you into believing, when you should not: fits the best. And now folks will pay a advance fee of 419. just how "its in your face fool" can Steorn be, and folks still believe???

    Look at the titles to there forums; People wanting to believe just don't and won't get it.

    This last idea fits the best.
    Night folks.
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    Posted By: lostcauses10xAnd still no one to ask over there and ask.

    come on folks an easy question to post over there. I doubt it will get you banned.

    What exactly is the net electrical energy put into the system.
    Why has no one asked this over there??


    Several of us have asked for the raw data and schematics. We should be able to determine what's really happening and the validity if we have that.

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