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    • CommentAuthorchipotle
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Hey couldbe scam victims are a varied lot. Sometimes, like the Madoff victims, they are very angry at the person who stole from them. But very often they are angry at everybody else. Energyman8 was a typical case of that type of scam victim. The more you have lost the harder it is to admit that you were wrong. The dumber your mistake, the harder it is to admit it to yourself.
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      CommentAuthorGrimer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: ping1400Any demo, live, video, web-cam, with a spinning orby, would turn delusion into fraud.
    And that would be a real new development in the Stoern saga, more fun and more drama!
    You are assuming it is a delusion. I think it's called begging the question.
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      CommentAuthorGrimer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: chipotleHey couldbe scam victims are a varied lot. Sometimes, like the Madoff victims, they are very angry at the person who stole from them. But very often they are angry at everybody else. Energyman8 was a typical case of that type of scam victim. The more you have lost the harder it is to admit that you were wrong. The dumber your mistake, the harder it is to admit it to yourself.
    Tht's true enough. I suppose that's why captains go down with their ship - or used to. Nowadays people have no shame. If they did we would have had mass resignations from parliament and Lord M wouldn't be in the cabinet.
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Agree with Aber0der. It will probably be another laptop or oscilloscope dog and pony show except that the spectacularly ornamented blue and green highly logo'ed test bench will be on live webcam, going round and round under mains power and minus the rotisserie chicken, one can assume. Three more blind mice? One can only hope that they will be live and available for questions. Nah....

    All the investors probably ever saw was something like the above. And now, Steorn takes a screwdriver to THEM. Up their rear ends, that is.
    • CommentAuthorCrastney
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009 edited
     
    Posted By: ping1400Any demo, live, video, web-cam, with a spinning orby, would turn delusion into fraud.
    • CommentAuthorspinner
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: Crastney
    Posted By: ping1400Any demo, live, video, web-cam, with a spinning orby, would turn delusion into fraud.


    What?!?!
    Are you stupid or something?

    If they successfully demonstrate a spinning device, that runs for long enough to be conclusive that it's not powered by batteries, and does useful work, and is on a live web feed, with some way of showing that it's not repeated footage, and is open to the public to come along and view it, then that will be proof that they do in fact have what they claim, and clearly not fraudulent.

    even if it turns out that it doesn't break CoE, but is instead a novel and new way of producing electricity, then it would make no difference, as Steorn would still end up raking it in, and makeing the investors loadsamoney.

    [on a side note, it all depends on what the investors were told that they'd get in return for the investment - if they were told that they'd get a huge return of investment, then it wouldn't matter to them how that happened, as long as it did]


    What??? While you were rocking on a southern seas...


    What happened with the "pre-Orbo" thingy which spun for more than 4 weeks "all by it's own in Steorn labs"?
    What happened with the "proof for OU - Kinetica toy"?
    What happened with the Bearings and excessive lighting at the BigDemo?
    Who poisoned the jury?...

    Ahh..
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    Posted By: Crastney
    Posted By: ping1400Any demo, live, video, web-cam, with a spinning orby, would turn delusion into fraud.


    What?!?!
    Are you stupid or something?

    If they successfully demonstrate a spinning device, that runs for long enough to be conclusive that it's not powered by batteries, and does useful work, and is on a live web feed, with some way of showing that it's not repeated footage, and is open to the public to come along and view it, then that will be proof that they do in fact have what they claim, and clearly not fraudulent.

    even if it turns out that it doesn't break CoE, but is instead a novel and new way of producing electricity, then it would make no difference, as Steorn would still end up raking it in, and makeing the investors loadsamoney.

    [on a side note, it all depends on what the investors were told that they'd get in return for the investment - if they were told that they'd get a huge return of investment, then it wouldn't matter to them how that happened, as long as it did]

    They would have to meet a few more conditions than that. Spinning longer than one might think batteries could spin it is not proof, even under those conditions. There are many ways to power such a spinner other then hidden batteries. Many have been described on the other forum.
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      CommentAuthorGrimer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    To satisfy you, no doubt. But not everybody is a doubting Thomas.
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    Posted By: GrimerTo satisfy you, no doubt. But not everybody is a doubting Thomas.
    You would consider C of E disproved based on a video of a rotisserie?
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      CommentAuthorGrimer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Only if it's roasting a pig.
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    To satisfy you, no doubt. But not everybody is a doubting Thomas.
    Right. Steorn believers tend to be credulous cretins.
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      CommentAuthorQuanten
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: Crastney
    Posted By: ping1400Any demo, live, video, web-cam, with a spinning orby, would turn delusion into fraud.


    What?!?!
    Are you stupid or something?

    If they successfully demonstrate a spinning device, that runs for long enough to be conclusive that it's not powered by batteries, and does useful work, and is on a live web feed, with some way of showing that it's not repeated footage, and is open to the public to come along and view it, then that will be proof that they do in fact have what they claim, and clearly not fraudulent.

    even if it turns out that it doesn't break CoE, but is instead a novel and new way of producing electricity, then it would make no difference, as Steorn would still end up raking it in, and makeing the investors loadsamoney.

    [on a side note, it all depends on what the investors were told that they'd get in return for the investment - if they were told that they'd get a huge return of investment, then it wouldn't matter to them how that happened, as long as it did]


    Crastney really, I do not know if you are jsut an example of Poe's law and in reality parodying a believer, if so, I congratulate you : this is indeed one of those terribbly stupid and thoughless believer like statement that show that somebody has no idea on physic. As said multiple time there ar3e so many way to power remotely something, a video prove next to nothing.
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      CommentAuthorcouldbe
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: Crastney
    If they successfully demonstrate a spinning device, that runs for long enough to be conclusive that it's not powered by batteries, and does useful work, and is on a live web feed, with some way of showing that it's not repeated footage, and is open to the public to come along and view it, then that will be proof that they do in fact have what they claim, and clearly not fraudulent.


    Won't it take independent replications to provide proof?

    I think they will show a self-powered perpetually spinning work-producing device, but that will just up the ante, and the pathological skeptics will claim that Steorn has moved to outright fraud.
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      CommentAuthorGrimer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009 edited
     
    @ Quanten

    It does if you believe that the video is not fraudulent. And you might read your posts at least once as a courtesy to the people who have to read them. I know you're a kraut and we have to make allowances but you could make a bit more of an effort.
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      CommentAuthorGrimer
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: couldbe
    Posted By: Crastney
    If they successfully demonstrate a spinning device, that runs for long enough to be conclusive that it's not powered by batteries, and does useful work, and is on a live web feed, with some way of showing that it's not repeated footage, and is open to the public to come along and view it, then that will be proof that they do in fact have what they claim, and clearly not fraudulent.


    Won't it take independent replications to provide proof?

    I think they will show a self-powered perpetually spinning work-producing device, but that will just up the ante, and the pathological skeptics will claim that Steorn has moved to outright fraud.

    If they do I hope he sues the pants off 'em.
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      CommentAuthorpcstru
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: GrimerI know you're a kraut and we have to make allowances


    Meeeeoooooww.
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      CommentAuthorsaner
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: Grimer@ Quanten
    I know you're a kraut and we have to make allowances but you could make a bit more of an effort.


    Kraut? Frank you are a puerile idiot.
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    The one who prides himself on being above the insults is tossing ethnic slurs?
    • CommentAuthorArde
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2009
     
    Posted By: GrimerI know you're a kraut


    I could be wrong, but I thought he said at one time that he was French.
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    Posted By: evolvealready
    Posted By: Crastney
    Posted By: ping1400Any demo, live, video, web-cam, with a spinning orby, would turn delusion into fraud.


    What?!?!
    Are you stupid or something?

    If they successfully demonstrate a spinning device, that runs for long enough to be conclusive that it's not powered by batteries, and does useful work, and is on a live web feed, with some way of showing that it's not repeated footage, and is open to the public to come along and view it, then that will be proof that they do in fact have what they claim, and clearly not fraudulent.

    even if it turns out that it doesn't break CoE, but is instead a novel and new way of producing electricity, then it would make no difference, as Steorn would still end up raking it in, and makeing the investors loadsamoney.

    [on a side note, it all depends on what the investors were told that they'd get in return for the investment - if they were told that they'd get a huge return of investment, then it wouldn't matter to them how that happened, as long as it did]

    They would have to meet a few more conditions than that. Spinning longer than one might think batteries could spin it is not proof, even under those conditions. There are many ways to power such a spinner other then hidden batteries. Many have been described on the other forum.


    And some of them have even been demonstrated. Some of those seem to have fooled some fairly erudite individuals.
    (I am of course referring to MyLOW, the RB effect, and perhaps one or two other devices.)