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    • CommentAuthorBigOilRep
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Did someone say big oil?
    • CommentAuthorBigOilRep
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Yeah, I'm trying to guess who Plentywatts is....
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    Posted By: PlentywattsNo it is not. Such evidence does not exist.

    You have an agenda and I want to know why you are attacking Steorn.

    Do you work for big oil?
    Good grief!, is this spot the troll thread?, I'm afraid this one is much too obvious, please make it more challenging.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Posted By: PlentywattsThe evidence was posted on the internet for everyone to see. The E-Orbo is evidence that Orbo works.
    For someone who says they are not babcat, you express very babcat like: beliefs, ignorance, and speech patterns.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Posted By: PlentywattsThe fact is that with the E Orbo you can produce a torque WITHOUT experiencing a back EMF.
    First your statement is wrong. The eOrbomination produces BEMF. Steorn did not measure correctly. Second, BEMF requires a changing magnetic flux crossing a conductor. Torque requires only a magnetic flux offset from a center. No motion is required for torque.
    Actually, you are able (except for joule heating losses) to produce a GAIN of energy in your inductor. For example, you can put one unit of energy into your toroid and get more than a unit of energy out when the field collapses.
    No you can't, and Steorn can't and didn't. If you want to claim that you get more out than in, then you need to collect that excess and do something with it, such as set up a self running generator that runs itself and an external load, instead of a low efficiency motor that just depletes a battery while barely spinning.
    If you were producing back EMF you would not be able to do this. Some of the energy from the toroid would transfer to the rotor.
    Learn some physics, or do a better job at taking a piss.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Posted By: PlentywattsSo what would happen in your point of view if you could take the back EMF out of a dc motor?
    It would not turn.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Posted By: maryyugoI'll wait for the PIFU-Orbo.
    They already exist. Of course you can't see any of them.
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    On the other hand, a superconductive motor is able to turn on BEMF alone. Think about it.
    • CommentAuthorspinner
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Posted By: joshs
    Posted By: PlentywattsSo what would happen in your point of view if you could take the back EMF out of a dc motor?
    It would not turn.


    On the other hand, a superconductive motor is able to turn on BEMF alone. Think about it.


    Eh, trying to get Plentywatts brain meshed?
    He's just a rookie... Spare him.
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    Posted By: spinnerEh, trying to get Plentywatts brain meshed?
    He's just a rookie... Spare him.
    You are right. I can almost here the alarm sirene and see the red "overload" sign flash.
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    Posted By: Guruthis is today news, not old:

    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5623-steorn-open-panacea-has-license-7.html


    Actually it is old, we knew about this at least 2 weeks ago, from Ashtwit himself.
  5.  
    Posted By: Plentywatts
    Posted By: TrimTechnology Review reveals a major technology breakthrough that will make Orbo even more efficient and longer lasting.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/25825/page1/


    Longer lasting batteries would not have any effect on Orbo. An Orbo can self sustain for months/years with a battery that can last for minutes.


    Liar.
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    Posted By: PlentywattsThe evidence was posted on the internet for everyone to see. The E-Orbo is evidence that Orbo works.


    Wrong twice in two sentences.
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    Posted By: PlentywattsLook at the Youtube videos. They show that torque is being produced without back EMF.


    No they don't. They clearly show a device making MINISCULE torque...turning a rotor on nearly frictionless bearings at the blazing speed of 1500 RPM maximum...and the scope traces shown by the lads in fact show massive BEMF.
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    Posted By: PlentywattsThe fact is that with the E Orbo you can produce a torque WITHOUT experiencing a back EMF. Actually, you are able (except for joule heating losses) to produce a GAIN of energy in your inductor. For example, you can put one unit of energy into your toroid and get more than a unit of energy out when the field collapses. If you were producing back EMF you would not be able to do this. Some of the energy from the toroid would transfer to the rotor.


    Nope, You are either mistaken or deliberately LYING.
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      CommentAuthoralsetalokin
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: Plentywatts
    Posted By: MileHigh
    The evidence was posted on the internet for everyone to see.

    The big problem with that statement is that if you have some knowledge about energy and electronics then you realize that the posted "evidence" was complete and utter garbage.

    However, if you want to believe with all your heart and you have no knowledge or understanding about energy and electronics then you force yourself to believe that what was posted was good. No matter how many people try to convince you otherwise you will not admit your ignorance and simply stick to your guns.


    The evidence was not garbage at all. It clearly showed torque was being produced without producing back EMF. It also showed there was an induction gain in the toroid.

    If you are claiming the evidence was garbage you have an agenda to attack Steorn, period.


    Wrong again. The scope traces produced by Steorn clearly show BEMF; the BEMF is low, as is the torque, because of the exceedingly poor magnetic coupling; the energy recoverable from the "induction gain" is exactly equal to or less than the total energy required to "charge" the inductor in the first place. The "Evidence" was indeed garbage, and EVERY person professionally trained in electronic measurements who saw those videos agrees with me, not with you.
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    Actually, you CAN get more energy out of the "inductive collapse" in the Orbo than you spent setting up the field. This is because SOME OF THE ROTOR'S KE is deposited in the inductor as the magnets swing past, and it is just this little increment that you may recover, electrically, after the pulse is over. It's not an energy gain, it's just taking some energy out of the rotor and putting it into the spike -- which, after losses, can then be recycled back into the system. If you only look at a single cycle, and only look electrically, it can indeed APPEAR that the "inductive return" claim is supported. But it does NOT produce an energy gain. It can indeed produce energy integrals on an oscilloscope that look anomalous, but this is a feature of the oscilloscope OPERATOR, not the true signal.

    And I can prove every word of this, with any Orbo you care to send me.


    Oh...by the way....I am arranging matters for TK to be able to submit his Orbette 2.0 --- which has reproduced EVERY behaviour claimed for Orbo --- to proper calorimetry measurements and analysis. This may take some time, but now that no one can claim that Orbette is not an Orbo, the results should be revealing, as they will finally test the main claim of Steorn: That no energy from the supply goes to turning the rotor, it all goes as Joule Heat, and any energy from the rotor must be EXTRA and free.
    • CommentAuthorspinner
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Wrong again.
    The scope traces produced by Steorn clearly show BEMF; the BEMF is low, as is the torque, because of the
    exceedingly poor magnetic coupling;

    Amen.
    ....
    ...the energy recoverable from the "induction gain" is exactly equal to or less than the total energy required to "charge" the inductor in the first place.

    Amen.

    The "Evidence" was indeed garbage, and EVERY person professionally trained in electronic measurements who saw those videos agrees with me, not with you.

    Amen.

    So, why is this charade still going on?
    ???
  10.  
    Posted By: spinnerSo, why is this charade still going on?


    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    • CommentAuthorspinner
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    Posted By: Knuckles OToole
    Posted By: spinnerSo, why is this charade still going on?


    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Ah, yes, Dollar is currently ahead of an Euro...
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    What d'ya think, are the "investors" guys more like an € or a $ types?