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    Posted By: BarguastThat's not true. A turning wheel, with no conventional energy source, and turning regardless wouldn't require as much measurement as something which requires a battery and predominantly produces heat.


    But it would require some ball bearings, which knowing Steorn, would probably be made of confection sugar that would melt under 100 watt bulb lighting.
    • CommentAuthorcwatters
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Posted By: NewsEditor
    Posted By: cwattersGiven that eOrbo is so hard to prove (the output is mostly heat) it seems daft they abandoned PM Orbo (output mostly mechanical?)


    Who said it was abandoned? And if you have the choice between mechanical or solid state then there really is no competition. Much easier to implement, measure and engineer something with no moving parts.


    Well yes obviously. However if SS Orbo is so great why are the SKDB still messing with eOrbo kits?
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Cos we all do as we please. Unlike here there is no party line beyond 'experiment and test.' Tinker
    • CommentAuthorBigOilRep
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Posted By: tinkerCos we all do as we please. Unlike here there is no party line beyond 'experiment and test.' Tinker

    That should be: "experiment and test with a massive dollop of confirmation bias chucked in".
    • CommentAuthorGuru
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: cwatters
    Posted By: NewsEditor
    Posted By: cwattersGiven that eOrbo is so hard to prove (the output is mostly heat) it seems daft they abandoned PM Orbo (output mostly mechanical?)


    Who said it was abandoned? And if you have the choice between mechanical or solid state then there really is no competition. Much easier to implement, measure and engineer something with no moving parts.


    Well yes obviously. However if SS Orbo is so great why are the SKDB still messing with eOrbo kits?


    Why playing with e-Orbos ?

    I have absolute crazy and childish hypothesis:

    Because PR. Yes, 99 % of public don't know what is OverUnity, however 99 % of public know what is mean at word

    Perpetum Mobile.

    Because Steorn desperate (cash is bleeding) need BIG HUMBUG, they want PR stunt about not only OverUnity (ss-

    Orbo and e-Orbo), also with Perpetum Mobile (e-Orbo powered with ss-Orbo, i.e. without battery).

    Simple - They want First page titles at news: "Perpetum Mobile is spinning" for common folks

    and for business: "ss-Orbo is XXX % OverUnity" (scales at Tektronix dimmed because output in milliWatt scale)
    • CommentAuthorBarguast
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Posted By: GuruBecause PR. Yes, 99 % of public don't know what is OverUnity, however 99 % of public know what is mean at word

    But of course, 99.9% of the public don't know who Steorn are. If they wanted real publicity, they would've done a better demonstration. At the moment they seem to be happy with their little band of trusty followers who don't care if their Orbo is PM, E, or SS flavoured.
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Far from desperate, far from underfunded, and not very interested in publicity. Another startlingly accurate analysis bites the dust.

    Tinker
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      CommentAuthorLoonyman
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Posted By: tinkerFar from desperate, far from underfunded, and not very interested in publicity. Another startlingly accurate analysis bites the dust.

    Tinker


    Then why are they running ads for the SKDBlite then Tinker? (apart from the fact that the standard of discussion in there is pretty lame to say the least.. Mainly due to the auto-banning of even the mildest sceptics...)
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Advertising for interested members in the technical press and seeking mass publicity are two entirely different things, are they not? Tinker
    • CommentAuthorBigOilRep
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: tinkerFar from desperate, far from underfunded,

    Really? So where is their funding coming from Tinker? They have no obvious income streams. Perhaps you can enlighten us to how they funding themselves?

    Steorn as an enterprise has gone nowhere. Apart from some re-badged, horribly overpriced USB hall probe (which they are now giving away), they have no products on the market. All they have ever done is taken investment money and paid wages with it.
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    Posted By: tinkerAdvertising for interested members in the technical press and seeking mass publicity are two entirely different things, are they not? Tinker


    Why would the technical press be interested in a Steorn controlled forum where Steorn product discussion is forbidden, and only general magnetism theory accepted? They already have their own forums and blogs for that, and far deeper topics.
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Somethin's wrong with our dear Guru. First most posts don't make sense at least in English. Suggestion, G, use Google translate for the first approximation-- write it in your native language. Second, there seems to be a theme in his/her writing that Steorn has overunity only it's too small to be useful. That's simply ninth degree crappolish. ANY overunity could be measured and if necessary multiplied by using several units in series or parallel. Such a discovery would sit Physics on its collective ass and earn prizes and money and notoriety.

    Steorn doesn't have squat. Except obnoxious oral vapors, ridiculous claims, and useless expensive toys.
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Drakkenmensch. Get real. How 'interested' do you have to be to take paid advertising if you are in the magazine business? Tinker
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    Posted By: tinkerDrakkenmensch. Get real. How 'interested' do you have to be to take paid advertising if you are in the magazine business? Tinker


    Can you rephrase that last one? You're not making any sense there.
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    Posted By: tinkerCos we all do as we please. Unlike here there is no party line beyond 'experiment and test.' Tinker


    In other words there are no instructions or even the capability for building something that actually works as advertised, lo these many years ago, in the Economist Magazine.

    Or even close.
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010 edited
     
    Drakkenmensch...Sorry if your English comprehension skills are poor. I will remind you of your post.

    "Why would the technical press be interested in a Steorn controlled forum where Steorn....etc. etc."

    I now take it you actually meant "the readership of the technical press" which is an entirely different matter. The readers pay, the press gets paid... Never mind. Tinker
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    Posted By: tinkerFar from desperate, far from underfunded, and not very interested in publicity. Another startlingly accurate analysis bites the dust.

    Tinker


    You are funny.

    SO they've changed their tune....I mean someone who takes out an advert in the ECONOMIST magazine, with world-wide distribution, can't possibly be interested in publicity, can they. And the failure to file the required financial statements with the Irish gov't until they are about to be dropped from the list of active corporations...that's not the sign of desperation. And the accountant's statement that they would have to come up with a functioning prototype soon or the jug would be up....that indicates a deep funding pockets, for sure.


    You are funny.
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Thank you. I am well known for humor. The Economist was a while back -plans change. Have you perchance been drinking? Can I have some? Tinker
    • CommentAuthorcwatters
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2010
     
    Posted By: GuruWhy playing with e-Orbos ?

    I have absolute crazy and childish hypothesis:

    Because PR. Yes, 99 % of public don't know what is OverUnity, however 99 % of public know what is mean at word

    Perpetum Mobile.


    and Steorn can't do it themselves? After all this time and money they haven't been able to close the loop and get a perpetual motion machine working.

    How much money are SKDB members putting in? I'd be surprised if it was 10% of what Steorn have speant so far. Why should they be any better at it than Steorn? If anyone here is a member of the SKDB perhaps you could run a poll for us? Ask what budget people have and add it up.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2010 edited
     
    "and Steorn can't do it themselves? After all this time and money they haven't been able to close the loop and get a perpetual motion machine working."

    Well this is because the men of Steorn are ideas guys-after all Orbo is a concept, not a product (isn't that right NewsE?). They had this idea which they thought would bear fruit. Now however the idea is bare of fruit. Time to plant another seed.