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    • CommentAuthorGuru
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010 edited
     
    Sad,

    18 months after start of SKDB Full and 4 months after start of SKDB Full pay system

    and after all these tons of e-Learning modules

    these fee-paying members of SKDB Full even now DON'T KNOW how way to do - spinning up ORBO.

    They are "waiting for another instructions"

    And notwithstanding repeatedly stated they "are building exactly according to Steorn blueprints"

    their Orbo has badly mounted coils. Original Waterways Theatre Orbo had coils with (axis) horizontally

    oriented. Their "exactly same" Orbo has coils with (axis) vertically oriented.

    Panacea University - Another crazy harlequinade.

    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5623-steorn-open-panacea-has-license-8.html
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    Asstwit asks:
    DO YOU SEE ONE PERSON FROM THE OFFICIAL STEORN FORUM SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK?


    Well, do you see a single person in the whole universe who says it does and not making it up completely?

    This must be the standard logic concept among wooists: As long as nobody says it doesn't work this is the absolute and best proof that it does.
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    Posted By: GuruOriginal Waterways Theatre Orbo had coils with (axis) horizontally

    oriented. Their "exactly same" Orbo has coils with (axis) vertically oriented.
    Who cares? The most inportant part is the perspex rig. You can't build an Orbo with any other material.
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      CommentAuthorsaner
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    Posted By: bloodymediaAs long as nobody says it doesn't work

    The thing is, there are plenty of people who say it doesn't work. Some of them were respected scientists hired by Steorn. The deluded fanatics just brush past this point or try to discredit the scientists, but never seem to be able to explain why Steorn could not show them anything that matches their claims.

    Posted By: bloodymediaYou can't build an Orbo with any other material.


    Apparently Steorn can't build an Orbo (that works as advertised) even with perspex.
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    Actually, the Orbos and demi-Orbos exhibited by Sean and Max at the Waterways demo had coils in both orientations. The famous "Plinth" devices, which had the original reed switches and the 10,000 mA-hour D-cell batteries, had 4 pairs of toroids, pairs oriented vertically, and facing the rotor "broadside" as it were. In addition, these Orbos had a second "generator" section containing more magnets that moved past air-core solenoidally wound coils in an attempt to bamboozle the target audience into thinking there might be some hope of extracting output from the system or recharging its own battery (lol). This portion of the circuit also incorporated a fancy-looking little Schottky surface mount diode on a PCB adaptor board, the part numbers of which were readily identified from the images publicly available.
    These Orbos were shown on the "live" internet video feeds to run for a few hours; then each of them, at different times, was removed to an undisclosed location, probably the upstairs room at Waterways, for reed switch and/or battery replacement.

    The "measurements" and other demonstrations, however, did not use these Orbos. They used what I have referred to as "demi-Orbos" that had considerable design differences. The coils of course were very different. Instead of paired toroids, these demi-Orbos used single toroids in each of the 4 positions, and the toroids were oriented in the horizontal plane, edge-on to the rotor. This was done to reduce the coil-to-magnet coupling even more than in the Plinth Orbos, for the scoposcopy "no CEMF" demonstrations. (Of course this also reduced the maximum RPM available from a given power supply...so they could no longer use 1.2 volts to produce RPMs over 1200.) In addition, these demi-Orbos did not use the failure-prone reed switches, which were a poor engineering choice to begin with (why, it's almost as though they didn't know the history of Pulse Motors...) Instead, the demi-Orbos used an optical commutation system that evidently was kludged together at the last moment, using OTS components like 12-volt solid-state MOSFET based relays and optical emitter-detector pairs. This system required a 12 volt supply, so from this point on we never again saw the Orbos working on a flashlight battery....(except of course in TK's replications).
    These demi-Orbos also had the original generator section removed, evidently to provide room for the bulky kludged optical commutator, so they were never shown producing any electrical output, except at the "final proof" demo (lol) where the Seanster showed "10 times overunity" simply by moving a shorted pickup coil closer to the spinning rotor.

    There are also several other possible orientations of the drive coils; this parameter space has been thoroughly explored by TK during the past year or so, and guess what: It makes no substantial or significant difference which way the toroids are oriented. The motor will run more or less as long as the magnets can see the cores at all, and the CEMF will be as low as your lousy magnetic coupling will allow. Some variations can result in almost no detectable CEMF _WHEN MEASURED USING STEORN"S METHODOLOGY_...but of course there is no hint of any overunity performance in any of the configurations possible.

    One of the tactics relied upon by the master conmen at Steorn is the bait-and-switch. They offer one thing, then sucker you into accepting a different thing, cheaper for them to make and more expensive for you to buy. Another tactic is the shell game, aka 3-card Monte. By switching configurations, scrambling data sources, being unscientific in their procedures, they have confused minor intellects like Guru into losing track of just what was presented, where, and just what was in fact claimed, when.

    But some of us remember...that there were never any measurements shown on the devices that were alleged to recharge their own batteries; that there were never any true input and output power measurements shown for the demi-Orbos, only scoposcopy; that the attempts at demonstrations of their sub-claims were, each of them, badly flubbed by the Seanster and Maxim the Tachoman; that the fancy thermal cameras showed nothing unexpected and were an expensive "shell" in the shell game, there only to impress the target audience and with no probative or scientific value at all; that the promised calorimetry turned out to be something an eighth-grader might have come up with for a science fair (and would not have been awarded a ribbon for, that's for sure); that the miracle "e-Orbo" has been dropped and is "no longer supported" by the Steorn mob, almost certainly due to TK's expose of its inadequacies; that the current Klub members still have no idea how to make anything that can produce energy, even though they are working with Steorn's official information and ... blueprints !! (lol).
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    Posted By: bloodymediaAsstwit asks:
    DO YOU SEE ONE PERSON FROM THE OFFICIAL STEORN FORUM SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK?


    Well, do you see a single person in the whole universe who says it does and not making it up completely?

    This must be the standard logic concept among wooists: As long as nobody says it doesn't work this is the absolute and best proof that it does.


    Everybody on the "official steorn forum" who says it doesn't work gets kicked off and their comments are removed !! Just like on Ashtwit's Paininassia University forum.

    Ashtwit is really outdoing himself now.
    • CommentAuthorMileHigh
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010 edited
     
    I'll say it again, Ash's "technical brains" partner Andrew is CLUELESS about electronics and Ash is BEYOND CLUELESS.

    During the Ainslie affair Ash would forward Andrew's comments about his "investigation" into their Ainslie replication and within five sentences I could tell that Andrew was just a Joe Blow when it comes to electronics.

    Ash and Andrew haven't given any Ainslie updates in months because the haven't a clue what to do and the "project" is dead.

    I am predicting a few "electronics lost soul" rounds of comments by Andrew to be posted by Ash. After about two months it will be clear yet again that they don't know what they are doing and the whole affair will peter out and die.

    It's a good formula: Sell overpriced kits to free energy goobers that haven't a clue and laugh all the way to the bank while the goobers "experiment."

    Oh! The humanity!

    MileHigh
    • CommentAuthorcwatters
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    I laugh at all the comments about "precision" and how it's needed to get orbo to "work".

    What dimensions have to be controlled with precision? They they use a micrometer to fine turn the bearing, water jet cutting to produce accurate perspex blocks etc etc ....then when it comes to the only bit that might need precision... they just wedge the coils in place with packing spacers.
    • CommentAuthorArde
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    Kinda like building a high tech ICE, and then using bacon rinds for the bearings.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    Posted By: bloodymediaAsstwit asks:
    DO YOU SEE ONE PERSON FROM THE OFFICIAL STEORN FORUM SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK?


    Well, do you see a single person in the whole universe who says it does and not making it up completely?

    This must be the standard logic concept among wooists: As long as nobody says it doesn't work this is the absolute and best proof that it does.
    Ah, but now that the Clintons are back in the news we are reminded to ask: What is "it"? The plan to convince whackadoes that the ordinary is extraordinary seems to still be working just fine.
    • CommentAuthorGuru
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    Posted By: MileHighI'll say it again, Ash's "technical brains" partner Andrew is CLUELESS about electronics and Ash is BEYOND CLUELESS.

    During the Ainslie affair Ash would forward Andrew's comments about his "investigation" into their Ainslie replication and within five sentences I could tell that Andrew was just a Joe Blow when it comes to electronics.

    Ash and Andrew haven't given any Ainslie updates in months because the haven't a clue what to do and the "project" is dead.

    I am predicting a few "electronics lost soul" rounds of comments by Andrew to be posted by Ash. After about two months it will be clear yet again that they don't know what they are doing and the whole affair will peter out and die.

    It's a good formula: Sell overpriced kits to free energy goobers that haven't a clue and laugh all the way to the bank while the goobers "experiment."

    Oh! The humanity!

    MileHigh


    No, no and no,

    precision is must have.

    When you lookin at Panacea e-Orbo replication device, it is clearly visible how

    every upper rotor is angular dislocated about 2,24 millimeters back (upper magnets) compared with down magnets

    These assymetry is essential secrecy of "Assymetries in magnetic systems anomaly" discovered at ATM by M. Daly in 2003.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    There is no anomaly and never was. There was never any discovery. There have been many improperly conducted experiments.
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    Posted By: GuruThese assymetry is essential secrecy of "Assymetries in magnetic systems anomaly" discovered at ATM by M. Daly in 2003.


    No such asymmetry in the PM version which was the first manifestation of the so called "anomaly."

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    Geez, Sean looks like he is fourteen in that pic.
    • CommentAuthorMileHigh
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    Upset investors.
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    I think Verizon works for Steorn.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010 edited
     
    Oh that's hilarious and sad. The manager recognizes that $1. is different than 1 cent. She recognizes that half a dollar is different than one half a cent, but she doesn't recognize that 0.002 dollars is different than 0.002 cents. She says she "isn't a mathematician". Hell, we are talking about second or third grade math here.

    ETA: As screwed up as those Verizon employees' math skills are, Verizon quotes their data rates at $1.99/MB = $0.00199/kB, which is what everyone agrees he was charged. So the guy complaining was trying to get advantage out of the poor math skills of the CSAs.
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    Posted By: joshsOh that's hilarious and sad. The manager recognizes that $1. is different than 1 cent. She recognizes that half a dollar is different than one half a cent, but she doesn't recognize that 0.002 dollars is different than 0.002 cents. She says she "isn't a mathematician". Hell, we are talking about second or third grade math here.


    I bet she calculates her paycheck all right though.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    I wouldn't bet on that.
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      CommentAuthorgenesis
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2010
     
    btw is there any info , how is SSorb scam going? it should have been up and runnin by now...what happened with one of the TBM's replica?