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    • CommentAuthorBigOilRep
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: tinkerDon't be stupid joshs...snack shops in garages don't sell lighters or matches.

    He didn't say they did, but they do.
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    Posted By: PuzzledOfAkallaCommercial reality is not my specialist subject, but it seems to me that if Steorn really had a discovery as revolutionary as they claim the Orbo to be, the very worst thing they could do is to sell in small quantities on the open market a device which demonstrated how it worked. Because, it seems to me, no matter how draconian the legal constraints they tried to impose on the purchasers, it wouldn't take very long before one of those devices fell into the hands of an organization much bigger and nastier than Steorn that wouldn't give two hoots for the legal repercussions and would proceed with their own large-scale production and further research without any further benefit to the discoverers. (I have the governments of three specific countries in mind, but there are also probably criminal organizations that would fit the bill, and possibly large and unscrupulous commercial organizations too.)

    My guess is that if Steorn really had what they say they have, their realistic courses of action would be very limited, and would include either (a) cosying up to an organization the size of a government which they thought they could trust to develop the technology, protect the rights to it, and reward them for its discovery, or (b) gear up to sell the thing on such an enormous commercial scale that they'd be reaping prodigious profits before potential competitors could get going.

    So doing what they are doing is, in my reading of the situation, practically an admission that the thing they're selling is not commercially interesting, which in turn is an admission that it isn't what they say it is.


    Right. For example, could they only prove what they claim to li'l ol ... er ... a party to whom I will not refer even in passing, the pearly gates of Heav'n itself would open and lucre would begin pouring from the very sky like a great frog-choking Texas thunderstorm.
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010 edited
     
    Back to reality for a microsecond or so:



    So what connects where the transformer symbol is? I am STILL trying to "get at" what this idiotic kloodge is * supposed * to do that the blind mousegeneers supposedly saw "with their own two eyes". WHERE IS THE MAGNET CRAIGIE? Steorn's "tech" is magnetic interactions. Can't have that without a MAGNET!
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      CommentAuthorgenesis
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    what is this "engineer" doing? < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HKTYrVjEGY#t=1m35 > LOL from 1:36 to 1:40...why would anyone do that?LOL
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: maryyugoBack to reality for a microsecond or so:


    That was reality?
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: genesiswhat is this "engineer" doing? <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HKTYrVjEGY#t=1m35> LOL from 1:36 to 1:40...why would anyone do that?LOL


    It's called "stroking the components". It is absolutely necessary to get them into the proper frame of mind for demonstrating free energy.
    • CommentAuthorMileHigh
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010 edited
     
    Mary:

    Good of you to catch that. That's what I jokingly refer to as the "Dorbo" connection point, a.k.a. the physical "SS-Orbo." Didn't we originally see a picture of a pipe-looking thing with one or more coils or wire wrapped around it.

    Or it's possible that it's just for connecting a regular transformer, perhaps a 10:1 "12-volt transformer," something that you can get at any electronics supply shop.

    So there you go, the "squiggly line theory." Connect up a transformer to the board and see some squiggly lines on your scope display and declare "victory."
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      CommentAuthorDuracell
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010 edited
     
    The next version of the Orbo will not only not have magnets, it will have no circuit board either. The top secret name of the prototype is TS Orbo (Trailing Socket Orbo). You just plug it into the mains and you can extract all the power you want. If you "measure" very "carefully" you will see that there is more power coming out than going in!

    (Soup Stone Orbo)
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      CommentAuthorgenesis
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    lol...an USB orbo.
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    When I do that -- with one eyeball on the oscilloscope -- I'm generally looking for ground loops, stray capacitance effects, or cold solder joints.

    What are the complex black brackets for?

    And Mary, the Orbo effect doesn't need magnets, it only needs an electromagnetic interaction, which can be produced by an electromagnet or transformer core. So please don't let your analytic skills get fixated on the fact that there aren't any permanent magnets in evidence on the pix we've seen of this board. Or coils even.
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      CommentAuthorgenesis
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: alsetalokinWhen I do that -- with one eyeball on the oscilloscope -- I'm generally looking for ground loops, stray capacitance effects, or cold solder joints.


    you pervert!:D it doesn't look like a hand made board...

    Posted By: alsetalokinWhat are the complex black brackets for?


    BATTERY.
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    You should know, the black brackets are for holding your Meerschaum while you button up your cardigan.

    And yes, the ferromagnetical McGuffin is missing from the photograph. Oh dear, never mind. Tinker
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: genesiswhat is this "engineer" doing? <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HKTYrVjEGY#t=1m35> LOL from 1:36 to 1:40...why would anyone do that?LOL
    He wants to make sure the connectors and capacitors aren't about to jump out of the circuit board.

    In the amateur style that has come to typify Steorn, note that the board does not have any direct coaxial instrument connections, such as BNC or SMA.

    If you roll look at 1:40 there is a scope shot. It looks like a voltage and current trace pair from a crappy mag-amp circuit. Once they get the core saturated, they can drop the drive voltage to a very low level and sustain the current. So, taking a bit of a stab at this, what our favorite blind mouse, Craig Coates, and Dizzy Deasy have fooled themselves with is Sean's rosy path of: "Look at the magnetization pulse as this, ignore all this other energy, and wowie-zowie look at the energy in the discharge through a recirculation diode. It's free energy I tell you. Here, have another roofie and you might see it too."
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      CommentAuthorgenesis
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: joshsHe wants to make sure the connectors and capacitors aren't about to jump out of the circuit board.

    it certainly looks so:)

    Posted By: joshsIn the amateur style that has come to typify Steorn, note that the board does not have any direct coaxial instrument connections, such as BNC or SMA.

    exactly.

    Posted By: joshsIf you roll look at 1:40 there is a scope shot. It looks like a voltage and current trace pair from a crappy mag-amp circuit. Once they get the core saturated, they can drop the drive voltage to a very low level and sustain the current. So, taking a bit of a stab at this, what our favorite blind mouse, Craig Coates, and Dizzy Deasy have fooled themselves with is Sean's rosy path of: "Look at the magnetization pulse as this, ignore all this other energy, and wowie-zowie look at the energy in the discharge through a recirculation diode. It's free energy I tell you. Here, have another roofie and you might see it too."


    to tell the truth, i don't see what exactly is conected to that scope....but you might be right as well.
    • CommentAuthorMileHigh
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Al:

    I second the motion on the black brackets. I think that they are funkiest looking 9-volt battery holders that I have ever seen. One is probably to power the electronics and the other is probably to energize the primary side of the transformer.

    There are two other green terminal blocks on the board. Perhaps they are sensing ports for connecting your scope leads up to? No pcb-mount BNC or SMA connectors from the funny boys, too expensive!

    Just to make some snarky comments about the three blind mice: Deasy looks almost blue-collar, like he just got off of his shift driving a fork lift. Coates looks like he is in his 1910 full-length undies, and is a logger in the Yukon, and it's Sunday morning after a night of boozing. Watson looks like he is in a Beach Boys tribute band and it's 2010, and he has been doing it for 30 years already. "The Silver Beach Boys."

    That's my take!
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: genesis

    to tell the truth, i don't see what exactly is conected to that scope....but you might be right as well.
    I am basing my guess on the shapes and timing relationships of the waveforms. On the left we see a narrow rectangular pulse, and a big pulse that has a "J" inflection in it. If I go get a saturable core and drive it with a transistor through a resistor, what used to be called L/R drives, then that's what the two waveforms would look like. As the core saturates, the current jumps to a level set almost entirely by the input voltage and circuit resistance, and the voltage across the core collapses, but remains positive. Then when the switch is turned off, the coil demag's through whatever discharge path is provided. This one looks like a diode. So you see the current drop out of saturation and then decay with a slow tail, because the diode drop is much smaller than the original supply voltage.
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      CommentAuthorgenesis
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: MileHigh"The Silver Beach Boys."


    rofl:D
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: MileHighAl:

    I second the motion on the black brackets. I think that they are funkiest looking 9-volt battery holders that I have ever seen. One is probably to power the electronics and the other is probably to energize the primary side of the transformer.

    There are two other green terminal blocks on the board. Perhaps they are sensing ports for connecting your scope leads up to? No pcb-mount BNC or SMA connectors from the funny boys, too expensive!

    Just to make some snarky comments about the three blind mice: Deasy looks almost blue-collar, like he just got off of his shift driving a fork lift. Coates looks like he is in his 1910 full-length undies, and is a logger in the Yukon, and it's Sunday morning after a night of boozing. Watson looks like he is in a Beach Boys tribute band and it's 2010, and he has been doing it for 30 years already. "The Silver Beach Boys."

    That's my take!
    I don't think BNCs are too expensive, from Digikey they are about $1.00 each, about the same as the cost of one of those green two terminal 5mm connectors. Steorn either don't want good instrument connections because they capitalize on radiated noise, or they are stupid fucks who don't know any better.
    • CommentAuthorsonoboy
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Come on Mary... The non-existent magnets evolved from the non-existent OU in the non-existent PM's in the original non-existent start-stop orbo. Get with the program...
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      CommentAuthorgenesis
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2010
     
    Posted By: joshsI am basing my guess on the shapes and timing relationships of the waveforms. On the left we see a narrow rectangular pulse, and a big pulse that has a "J" inflection in it. If I go get a saturable core and drive it with a transistor through a resistor, what used to be called L/R drives, then that's what the two waveforms would look like.

    i see two seperate traces " in line" there(perhaps i'm wrong)...but hey...i'm not going any further than that.