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      CommentAuthorlegendre
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2011
     
    What happened to Rupert? Is this a hit-and-run thread?
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2011
     
    Posted By: cwattersSeems Aureliano Horta is still going strong. Videos here don't really help explain what he's doing..

    http://www.et3m.net/videoone.htm

    He keeps talking about feeding motors X voltage and Y current. It's much better practice to say we are feeding the motor X voltage and when the motor is delivering Z power it draws Y current.

    When using motors for experimenting the only way to be sure you aren't being fooled is to put them on a dynamometer, load them up and measure the input and output power.

    Anyone can make it look like a motor is recieving less/more power but is it actually outputing more?
    They actually do. Hortong is playing the power factor game: You see boys and girls we have so many VA here, and we have way more VA over here ( because we have shifted the phase nearly 90 degrees ). Getting unloaded motors to spin is a favorite among free energy, magic efficiency box frauds. Hortong is an idiot, a fraud or both.
    • CommentAuthorenginerd
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2011
     
    Another case of Descarte before the horse.
    • CommentAuthorenginerd
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2011
     
    I got power factor problems at this manufacturing plant. After adding lots of induction load over the years we find that we are runnig at less than .8 and getting beaten for it every bill. Perhaps Hortong could help us.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
     
    Posted By: enginerdI got power factor problems at this manufacturing plant. After adding lots of induction load over the years we find that we are runnig at less than .8 and getting beaten for it every bill. Perhaps Hortong could help us.
    Why don't you buy a bunch of PF correcting caps?
    • CommentAuthorenginerd
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
     
    I am trying to get approval to buy a capacitor bank. Nowadays you can buy the smart kind that applies various levels of capacitance as needed ( power companies will also penalize you for too high a power factor ), and they aren't too expensive. We need nearly 100 thousand dollars worth. The payout is about three years the way I have it figured but of course that depends some on future electricity pricing and some on how busy we are for the next few years. As usual, management has some good questions that can't be answered and some irrelevent ones that can be.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
     
    Posted By: enginerdI am trying to get approval to buy a capacitor bank. Nowadays you can buy the smart kind that applies various levels of capacitance as needed ( power companies will also penalize you for too high a power factor ), and they aren't too expensive. We need nearly 100 thousand dollars worth. The payout is about three years the way I have it figured but of course that depends some on future electricity pricing and some on how busy we are for the next few years. As usual, management has some good questions that can't be answered and some irrelevent ones that can be.
    Oh yes, whatever you do don't buy fixed caps unless you tie them to the motors themselves. As an aside there are outfits who sell PF caps, some with blinking LEDs on the box to homeowners trying to convince them it will reduce their electricity bills. The big joke is that the classic power meters used on residences are not sensitive to PF.
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      CommentAuthorlegendre
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011 edited
     
    Posted By: joshs As an aside there are outfits who sell PF caps, some with blinking LEDs on the box to homeowners trying to convince them it will reduce their electricity bills. The big joke is that the classic power meters used on residences are not sensitive to PF.


    That's pretty funny..

    Guess I've never thought much about it, but aren't domestic power meters just current measurement devices? The more current, the faster the rotor runs, the more quickly it drives the counter stack? Based on an induction motor or something.

    No way for it to be PF sensitive, as the utility must just assume 120V or whatever, and calculate the total energy consumption, eh?
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
     
    Hi legendre. You are indeed correct. and the utilities attempt to conceal the true figures from their clients where it suits them. 3-phase metering in the UK at leat is a little more sophisticated and emplys PF correction in most cases.
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
     
    hehahaha! Psctru you are a vain little tosser -and so blatantly small minded to boot. Comgratulations on showing your true (pink) colours yet again.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
     
    Posted By: legendre
    Posted By: joshsAs an aside there are outfits who sell PF caps, some with blinking LEDs on the box to homeowners trying to convince them it will reduce their electricity bills. The big joke is that the classic power meters used on residences are not sensitive to PF.


    That's pretty funny..

    Guess I've never thought much about it, but aren't domestic power meters just current measurement devices? The more current, the faster the rotor runs, the more quickly it drives the counter stack? Based on an induction motor or something.

    No way for it to be PF sensitive, as the utility must just assume 120V or whatever, and calculate the total energy consumption, eh?
    No, they don't react to PF. It makes the testimonials of the happy PF correcting capacitor buyers that much funnier.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
     
    Posted By: tinkerhehahaha! Psctru you are a vain little tosser -and so blatantly small minded to boot. Comgratulations on showing your true (pink) colours yet again.
    Tinky's throwing tantrums. That's OK tink, just go down to your basement and hug that physics shattering rig of yours and all will be better. Just stay away from the reality vortex next to it, or the next thing you know you will be on the edge of Moscow.
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2014
     
    LOL!
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    You may remove your foil hats. HAARP to be silenced.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2014
     
    The haarp that once in Tara's halls
    The soul of music shed
    Now hangs as mute on Tara's walls
    As if that soul were dead.
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    Not silenced. They simply figured out how to miniaturise it down to sardine tin size.
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    Can I get that in an Altoid tin instead?


    One of my fondest memories involves a certain dead psychiatrist, a tin of Altoids (curiously strong) and ....er.... um..... oh never mind.
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    Well considering the CIA is disallowed legally from operating on American soil this is interesting.