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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: sanerMary, you do understand how triangulation works regarding cell towers, right?
    Yes. It's difficult and complicated and slow and not all that accurate. Also, it won't work if the cell phone is powered off. No need to remove the battery as in making ABSOLUTELY SURE the GPS can't work. And of course, there are extensive laws (in the US anyway) regarding the provider furnishing this information to authorities. It requires a warrant which isn't easy to get. In fact people have died in rescue situations because the phone company would not release triangulation information lacking the appropriate warrants and sometimes not even then in a timely manner.

    I don't have huge privacy concerns in the US but if I did, cell tower triangulation would be the least of my worries. If I really needed to be anonymous and not located, I'd just buy a batch of prepaid phones for cash (available at any "drug" store) and change them regularly. I'm sure that's what drug dealers and Mexican mafiosi do.
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      CommentAuthorsaner
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2012
     
    Posted By: maryyugoIt requires a warrant which isn't easy to get.


    <facepalm>

    Right, you have me there, the US government (and others) never listen in or wiretap illegally or without warrant so they would never capture location data improperly either. You must be trolling.
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    You can no longer buy disposable cell phones in the USA without showing full ID.
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2012
     
    Posted By: alsetalokinYou can no longer buy disposable cell phones in the USA without showing full ID.
    Haven't bought one so I can't deny that but fake ID's are pretty easy to get. Are you saying that every drug store counter records your ID and transmits it somewhere when you buy a phone? Why do I doubt that?
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      CommentAuthorLoonyman
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2012
     
    At least the manufacturers of tinfoil have nothing to worry about...
    • CommentAuthortinker
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2012
     
    Well, there's a thought. Might be a niche in the market for tinfoil phone covers. No...wait a minute...
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      CommentAuthoraber0der
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: alsetalokinYou can no longer buy disposable cell phones in the USA without showing full ID.

    It doesn't matter since the TELCOs can track your location and match it with other existing data. No need to show full ID.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2012
     
    Posted By: alsetalokinYou can no longer buy disposable cell phones in the USA without showing full ID.
    You would be surprised about that. Minors cannot legally buy booze either. Both happen regularly. On the phone front: Pay cash and tell them the phone is for your college age niece or nephew. Give them a ficticious name for the imaginary relative.
    • CommentAuthorBigOilRep
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2012
     
    Posted By: sanerMary, you do understand how triangulation works regarding cell towers, right? There is no 'off' on a functioning cell phone.

    What's that got to do with geolocation services?
    • CommentAuthorBigOilRep
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2012
     
    Posted By: sanerRight, you have me there, the US government (and others) never listen in or wiretap illegally or without warrant so they would never capture location data improperly either. You must be trolling.

    Well, they could do it. But they couldn't then use it in a court case against her - as it's illegal.

    If Mary wanted to stay off the authorities radar she could just purchase an anonymous phone off the web. Or some high quality fake ID which she could then use to buy a phone over the counter. Either of these is fairly trivial to purchase anonymously, if you look around a little.

    The ways the authorities have to track you may have expanded, but so has the ways to avoid them.

    Hey, if she wanted to get really medieval, she could go out without a phone! Just like wot people did in the Old Days.
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      CommentAuthoralsetalokin
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2012 edited
     
    Sometimes it's hard to tell if BOR is seriously pulling our legs or just doing it for fun.

    Ah..... I feel so medieval. Chipless, cellpornless, creditcardless, tabletless. It's a miracle I can even find my way to the park, since I don't have the new Garmin sunglasses with the video map database overlay.

    But I manage... sort of.....


    (But then, I remember when you could drive up to the Bun and Barrel in your '56 BelAire and be served by a hot waitress on roller skates, and a chocolate malt was made with real chocolate, real ice cream, real milk and real malt.)
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      CommentAuthormaryyugo
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: alsetalokina chocolate malt was made with real chocolate, real ice cream, real milk and real malt
    Yah but it would spoil in a few hours. The current enhanced products are so loaded with preservatives that no self-respecting bacteria will touch them.

    And BTW, a TELEPHONE isn't a bad sounding over-clipped, distorted, unintelligible, overcomplicated miniature unreliable radio you carry in your pocket and which is obsolete after two years if ordinary sweat moisture doesn't kill it first. It's a nearly indestructible two pound, hard wired, line powered Western Electric designed and Bell Systems made solid electromechanical wonder engineered around the human voice and the human ear and made by properly paid union workpeople in the good old US of A. The only way those ever got to China was if the Chinese imported them.
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    Posted By: maryyugoYah but it would spoil in a few hours. The current enhanced products are so loaded with preservatives that no self-respecting bacteria will touch them.


    If you think what's happened to cold chocolate malts is sad, you should see what happened to the hot roller-skating carhops.

    And I fully agree... a cellporn is NOT a telephone.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2012
     
    Many of the carhops are now loaded with preservatives.
    • CommentAuthorenginerd
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2012
     
    I am personally pleased if someone knows where I am at all times. It takes nothing from me that I value and could be of some service to me.
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      CommentAuthorsaner
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2012
     
    Posted By: enginerdI am personally pleased if someone knows where I am at all times. It takes nothing from me that I value and could be of some service to me.


    That is your choice and you are welcome to be tracked if you like. The issue I have is that I do not wish to be tracked as that does take something from me that I value, my privacy.
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      CommentAuthorsaner
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2012
     
    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Saurons_Eye.shtml

    As usual, Fred says it better than I ever could.
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      CommentAuthorsaner
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2012
     
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2012
     
    Posted By: sanerFacebook's not so great... I'll say.

    http://virginiacopblock.org/232/rutherford-institute-defends-marine-arrested-statement-on-hearing/


    If that is a correct account of what happened, it is very, very scary indeed.
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      CommentAuthorsaner
    • CommentTimeAug 21st 2012