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    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    What about when you think “twenty” and he thinks “swanzig”?
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    Zwanzig, I'd guess. Vellum or concrete, but same platonic ideal 20 in play.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021 edited
     
    If al were here he could tell us "the map is not the territory"

    Here's another question. If I say "vente" to an Italian is the information in the word the same as if I say it to a barista st Starbux? If not why not?
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    So when you both think “20”, your brains fire the same way?
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    Posted By: AngusIf al were here he could tell us "the map is not the territory"

    Here's another question. If I say "vente" to an Italian is the information in the word the same as if I say it to a barista st Starbux? If not why not?


    No. Is it the same information as when you say it to two different baristas at the same Starbucks?
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021 edited
     
    Next, we’ll invent Noam Chomsky. This takes me back to 1975 and Advanced Linguistics with Terry Threadgold at Sydney Uni.
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    I'm pretty sure that no two brains display identical neural activity for the same stimulus, chiefly because the details of the wiring differs.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    Posted By: Andrew PalfreymanI'm pretty sure that no two brains display identical neural activity for the same stimulus, chiefly because the details of the wiring differs.


    Of course not.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    Posted By: loreman
    Posted By: AngusIf al were here he could tell us "the map is not the territory"

    Here's another question. If I say "vente" to an Italian is the information in the word the same as if I say it to a barista st Starbux? If not why not?


    No....


    Which shows that the information in a symbol depends on the context.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    Looking over this I wonder if we are having a violent agreement.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    I thought we were having a Socratic learning experience
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    Without the hemlock, so far.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2021
     
    Hemlock is a useful treatment for mania.
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    Posted By: Andrew PalfreymanI too have no idea what numbers are.

    ...our familiar number system, intricately entangled with a host of new and exotic numeric species lurking alongside them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYj4NkeGPdM

    Conway's impishness shines through with Hackenbush.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2021 edited
     
    Aaaargh!!

    Mindbending. Great fun.
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      CommentAuthorTrim
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2021
     
    Fundamental Quantum Theorem Applies to Temperatures Beyond Absolute Zero | NextBigFuture.com

    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2021/11/173732.html YouTube
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      CommentAuthorjohnq
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2021
     
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      CommentAuthorTrim
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2021
     
    Wow, I wonder if it can be used for communications.

    Even ten seconds could bankrupt bookies, or get you bumped off.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2021
     
    Posted By: TrimWow, I wonder if it can be used for communications.


    Only if you have no information to transmit. Cf "entropy".