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    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    Posted By: Andrew Palfreyman
    Posted By: loremanYou know, I’ve been thinking about the “inviolable” first assumption that experimenters can choose which measurement to perform.
    Physicists refer to this assumption as "Non-superdeterminism", for obvious reasons.


    They can call it what they like-doesn’t make it meaningful or useful.
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    At least it's succint and instantly conveys how piss useless any imagined sky fairy is assumed to be.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    “In this thought experiment there is always an outcome”?


    It seems so to those running the experiment only because they do not foresee their earlier demise. Or possibly just the possibility of getting fired from their cushy position in the philosophy department before the expected outcome.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    Posted By: Andrew PalfreymanAt least it's succint and instantly conveys how piss useless any imagined sky fairy is assumed to be.


    I’m not sure I follow your logic there.
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    The assumption of superdeterminism implies that there exists some external agency (qua "god") which robs the experimenter of free will. Clearly the converse implies the opposite.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    Posted By: Andrew PalfreymanThe assumption of superdeterminism implies that there exists some external agency (qua "god") which robs the experimenter of free will. Clearly the converse implies the opposite.


    That’s not what I was talking about-all I was thinking is that saying that it’s inviolable that experimenters have a “choice” in what measurement to make seems to me to be a potential hole in the thought experiment. That’s because I think that “choice” is very complicated and there’s lots of stuff happening when a “choice” is made. I wasn’t talking about religion at all.
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    It has often been noted that the experimenter and his apparatus have a wavefunction that describes their probabilities. In fact it's turtles all the way up as well.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    So is it just incomprehensible?
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    Maybe, maybe not, but either way it is hubris to believe that we are capable of comprehending it.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    Wave function boundaries are interesting.
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    Good fences make good neighbors.
    • CommentAuthorloreman
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    Good fences define neighborhoods
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    Good fences give you fair price and keep their mouths shut.
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    Fences invite categories
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    Fencing can get you skewered.
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      CommentAuthoroak
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
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      CommentAuthorAngus
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2020
     
    That Gliddens the heart!
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    People actually collect barbed wire (or "bobwar" around here). There are many different types. We have a holiday "wreath" made from a ring of tangled bobwar and an old boot.
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    It just never ends with quantum mechanics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5HyMNNSGqQ

    I really should get around to throwing that Fritzof Kapra book away.